Religious Insanity Explained
Well, sometimes as sick fetish to self suffering, I will have some awesome internet arguments. The following is from http://www.youtube.com, and comes in personal messages after the other person felt like making it a private conversation, probably because I was getting backup to his bullshit. On the surface these crazy people seem sane, and they can come up with reasonable sounding arguments… but ultimately fail to complete the logic. I insulted this person only once, yet this person feels the need to bring insults into the argument. Insults don’t bother me, it just increases my score.
The bible does not contradict itself, you are just reading it accurately:
Me: EXO 33:20 Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
Lichtspielhaus234: That’s right, because God is all powerful. Something wrong with that? See back in the days of imperial reign in China the commoner could not look upon the Emperor because he was considered a living God. BUT..he was not all powerful. God is complex and all powerful. And the human mind can not comprehend this power, but by understanding his nature, we get a glimpse of who he is.
Me: EXO 33:11″And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend.
Lichtspielhaus234: Yes, because being God he can allow Moses to speak to him face to face, and when Moses did speak to him, his face changed. Now, God being who he is..he has the power to show himself to who he wants. Right?
Me: The Bible does not say anything about God’s face changing.
Lichtspielhaus234: Dude are you serious? No really? Are you? Because I NEVER SAID GOD’S FACE CHANGED. OYYYYY..
Explanation:
Not only does the Bible contradict itself, but people that believe it doesn’t, take where it does contradict itself and contradict themselves as if they don’t remember what they said. I gave a perfectly clear example where the Bible gives two verses from the same chapter, that cannot both be true. I gave a lot more examples, but come on, one that exists in the same chapter talking about the same thing?
There are only two choices because I said so, even though it is a logical fallacy:
Lichtspielhaus234: See it’s how you look at it..Since he allowed his people, the Israelites to defend their lands therefor kill in war..then he’s a murderous God..according to you..but then if he didn’t allow his people who he loved to defend themselves..then you people wold have said..”Well if he loved them he could have allowed them to defend themselves.” Right? Pick one.
Me: I pick if he said don’t kill, then they shouldn’t kill. They and you believed that they were going to heaven so why not follow Gods commandments? This life does not matter if there is an eternity in heaven for following Gods commandments.
Lichtspielhaus234: No pick one of these numbnuts.
Me: Again with insults when I have not once insulted you. This statement is known as a false dilemma where only one of two things can be true where in fact many other options exist that can be true. Fallacies are illogical.
Lichtspielhaus234: Because you’re stupid, I’m pointing out a fact. Every thing you come up with is sheer stupidity. If I wanted to insult you I would have, I would have cursed at you. Even the bible says “To believe there is no God makes you a fool.” I’m trying to make you realize the things you’re saying are foolish. If you want me to be a bit more nice I can. For your sake. But man…think before you speak. Be logical about what you say. And pay attention to what you’re reading from me. Do that..and be logical. If you don’t understand I’ll explain it…but don’t come back with these really lame excuses because that’s what they read like. If you want to debate me…on the bible..READ IT..and understand it. All you do is read and take at face value what it says. You can’t do that with anything, you have to really study it, to comprehend it. Ok give me an example of other options being true. Go ahead.
Explanation:
If all else fails they resort to the damn Bible and insult you for pointing out that they are in fact; illogical. Notice how this person said I was illogical for pointing out this person’s fallacy. They think because they “know” God exists, then they are smart and everyone that doesn’t believe them are stupid. To them, a smart person has to believe in God to be smart
Only science that supports their beliefs can be trusted, even if you use the same methods to disprove them:
Me: It may just be a problem with the copying and translation of the Bible, but that would mean that you can’t really trust anything in there because it had been copied and translated by hand over several centuries using pen and ink.
Lichtspielhaus234: Oh so now that its not translated properly in a way that you can understand it, and you refuse to waste time learning from it? Funny thing, it was translated over by hand..yet..WE STILL FIND ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL accuracies in it. Hmmmmm…
Me: Sure after several centuries they would write backwards on one page and copy that over to up to ten new pages, but that does not mean that these men were always accurate.”
Lichtspielhaus234: The bible is the most historically and archeologically accurate book in the world. Now tell me again..it’s not accurate?
Me: Translation is another problem altogether, since you can’t just take one language and make it mean exactly the same thing in another language. Which would mean that the Bible is not accurate. If its not accurate, then it cannot be taken literally. If it cannot be taken literally it requires interpretation. Interpretation comes from man and can be wrong.
Lichtspielhaus234: Nope, all that’s wrong. It’s just foolish assumptions and mindless rabble.
Me: Not to mention that the people who would have originally wrote it would not have an understanding of any of the things that we now know. They could have seen lightning and said it was the hand of God, and for all their understanding, to them, that is what it was. Natural disasters could easily have been written off as “God did it” because they were sinners. Whatever comforts them, because they wouldn’t know better. It what druids did before Christianity even existed, blaming gods for this and that, good things and bad things. I find it hypocritical to say that they were wrong, and you are right, despite that the reasoning is the same with the difference of their many gods and your one God. There is historical and archeological proof that there were other religions that predate the Bible. If you want me to believe that the historical and archeological proof of the Bible is accurate then I must also believe the same techniques applied to other things is also accurate.
Lichtspielhaus234: No, it is not fallible. You’re mind is fallible, because you don’t have the basic understanding. The reason I can say that you’re stupid in an attempt to translate the scriptures is this. What you’re saying is that because it’s not specific to YOU..it’s not valid. So what you want, is for the bible to make it easy for you to understand it because you’re not smart enough to comprehend it are you? You know what? If I were you, I would stop trying to quote scripture or even argue against the word,it is obvious that you’re not in the tiniest bit..smart enough to understand it.
Explanation:
Not only do these people fail to discuss the issue, they continue to resort to insults. Notice the complete lapse in discussing the the Bible may be inaccurate because of being hand copied. If you understand the Bible at literal face value then you are stupid for understanding what it says, because apparently there is some kind of subtext that takes a special amount of delusion to understand. Also note the completely missing retort to how they only agree with science (archeology) that agrees with them, even though the same methods (archeology) to prove their beliefs also disprove them.
The private messages (warning, extreme stupidity and about 20 pages):
Insults Towards me:
Stupid = 6
Numbnuts = 1
You’re too dumb to understand = 16
You’re not smart enough = 4
Twisted mind = 1
Insults from me:
hate filled, illogical, assuming, mentally twisted “Christians” like yourself = 1
Lichtspielhaus234 fallacies:
Ad Hominem = 29
Appeal to Probability = 5
Argument from Fallacy = 47
Bare assertion fallacy = 8
Fallacy of necessity = 5
Masked man fallacy = 2
Negative proof fallacy = 15
Red herring = 14
Afirming the consequent = 12
Denying the anticedent = 22
Begging the question = 24
Circular cause and consequence = Pretty much everything said
Equivocation = 45
Fallacy of many questions = 18
False attribution = 12
Loki’s Wager = 6
Cherry picking = 17
False analogy = 4
Straw man = 38
My fallacies:
Argument from Fallacy = 4
Bare assertion fallacy = 1
Cherry picking = 5
False analogy = 2
Straw man = 7
Clearly I am the winner because I resorted to fewer fallacies and insults to argue my side.